100 najlepszych gitarzystów na świecie wg. Rolling Stone.
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Geminiman019
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KondZik
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bartekbb23
KondZik pisze:bartekbb23 o co dokładnie chodziło?bartekbb23 pisze:Standard magazynu Rolling Stone odnośnie Bon Jovi. Nigdy ich nie lubili mówiąc łagodnie, no i już na pewno nie polubią. Przypomnę, że w tamtym roku kwestionowali wybór Bon Jovi jako MTV Global Icon.
Przy okazji gali mtv na której, zespół otrzymał pierwszą MTV Global Icon hiszpańska wersja Rolling Stone bodajże ( gala miała miejsce w Madrycie chyba, a na pewno w Hiszpani) zamieściła artykuł, w którym wypunktowała, że Bon Jovi nie zasługują na to miano. Cały artykuł tutaj, jednak to tłumaczenie z google translatora, więc trzeba sobie przeczytać to i czasem pomyśleć nad niektórymi określeniami.
Bon Jovi Is the prize worth 'Global Icon' from MTV?
The music channel will present the award at a gala in Madrid for being "one of the most beloved rock bands and more influential over the past 30 years." Are five reasons why this is a wrong decision. By Ivar Muñoz-Rojas
"It is clear that Bon Jovi has reached iconic status worldwide as one of the most popular rock bands, most beloved and influential over the past 30 years. "These words referred to the Executive Vice President of Music and area MTV talent, Bruce Gillmer, the group will receive the award 'Global Icon' in Madrid on November 7, at a gala organized by the chain in Spain is leading the music mogul. He argues that the award, the first which gives the multinational brand in its history, gives those in New Jersey because, in his words, "For years, MTV and Bon Jovi fans have given their unique and incredible experience." The band will come to the capital to collect this recognition of spirit as big as open. But is it deserved? Here are five arguments against this decision.
1. His best moments were nearly 30 years. We saw it in its passage through the festival Rock in Rio Madrid 2010, last June: a concert by Bon Jovi now and Jacuzzi to the past, that movie in which some colleagues are quickly an unexpected trip to the 80. That is, when the band attacks with live Runaway or Bad medicine -those hits of the eighties filled with lacquer, energy and good tunes, the cries of fivefold, when interpreting recent songs off viewers. Bon Jovi was detached from reality and present at the same time by the hair was cut for his album Keep the Faith, 1992.
2. Songs are too similar to each other. Okay, for 90 Bon Jovi stayed on the charts, most Taliban say in this matter, but always mellifluous ballad at that stage that gave success to the group (and some surgery , will be assumed). How many would be able to differentiate Bed of roses to Always, then their biggest hits in five seconds? Because, besides, eternal melodramatic, his ballads are very similar to each other. And it is worth mentioning as an example of success moved, revitalizing and recent It's my life, from their album Crush: progress has, but already has ten years and start with vocoder (the pileup that robotized human voice), is modeled that of Livin 'on a Prayer, its most successful (fourteen years younger).
3. Say you like Bon Jovi is marginal. With this band of mature passes as with former super sales as Roxette, Bryan Adams or, national, modesty aside, times have changed (as they said in one of his biggest hits Celtic Other that fall into this category), and Bon Jovi have left a halo beater long. An example material: H & M we can buy shirts with air vintage other glories as Guns N 'Roses, Motörhead or Madonna, not of our players, however. That theorem that everything is cyclical fashion breaks with Bon Jovi and 120 million records sold. By the way, how many current bands to mention Bon Jovi as a major influence?
4. 50% of the group remains unknown to the masses. Bon Jovi is a clear example of metonymy, that figure of speech with which they become part of the whole (for example, we wash the car when it comes to your body). As we do not know if Jarabe de Palo is Pau Dones or this band, or Revolver is the same or not Carlos Goñi, for many uninitiated Bon Jovi is synonymous with its Rubiales and spunky singer, Jon Bon Jovi, of 48. And this is an error: the name behind five people. Although it is true that Tico Torres (57, drums) and David Bryan (48, keyboards), who have been in the ranks of the group since its inception, could walk quietly, and at rush hour, and the Gran Via without anyone recognize them. And that is not itself an icon.
5. They are the worst icon ever. And speaking of icons: the symbol for the band and is on the cover of Have a nice day (his ninth album with new songs of 2005) is nonsense even greater than, for example, the Metallica name without his arrows (as presented by the band on Load, album of 1996). Music Video In the title track to this job teenagers flooded, with sprays and stickers, the city (as they did, but in reality, punks Black Flag in Los Angeles, in the early 80). It all ends with a concert sprawling, unplanned, to blush a little and produces a similar feeling of seeing your mother with two glasses of most New Year's Eve. And that is not worthy of an icon.
Erratum: In fact, as you say in various comments, the effect you hear in the outbursts of the songs It's My Life and Livin 'on a prayer is made with a vocoder , but with a talk box. On the other hand, to prevent confusion that induce the text, we refer logo is only used with Bon Jovi album Have a nice day, which is not the only one who has used the band: the classic heart pierced by a dagger remains a hallmark of the group.
Więcej optymizmu.Zakładając ten temat, myślałem że umrze po 2 postach.
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Geminiman019
100 najlepszych gitarzystów na świecie wg. Rolling Stone.
to że ryśka nie ma, to jakoś specjalnie mnie nie dziwi. Od kilku lat nic porządnego nie zagrał. Ale brat Steve Vai, Joe satriani, czy Malmsteen... Jak dla mnie to wygląda na ranking ulubionych gitarzystów, ani jeżeli wszech czasów.
It's not where we're coming from
It's how we turn from here
We know where we want to go
We just need the light to get us there
It's how we turn from here
We know where we want to go
We just need the light to get us there
Tamto zestawienie jak najbardziej pamiętam, było jeszcze gorsze niż to(może poza pozycją Frusciante). W każdym bądź razie mamy niewielki progres bo tam zabrakło Slash'a, Petrucciego, Malmsteena no i chociażby Sambory.A w tym Slash już jest! Co do tego zestawienia zastanawia mnie to, jakim cudem wepchnęli tu Cobaina, skoro jeżeli chodzi o grę na gitarze on Ryśkowi może buty czyścić.Geminiman019 pisze:A pamiętasz poprzednie zestawienie z 2003 roku. Tam The Edge był #24, Frusciante #18, Hammett #11 a Page #9.Select pisze:To całe zestawienie jest niezbyt udane. Nie rozumiem jak mogło tutaj Ryśka zabraknąć. Frusciante tylko na 73? Co jak co, ale on moim zdaniem powinien być przynajmniej w pierwszej 20. W sumie chciałbym też na pierwszym miejscu zobaczyć Page'a. Jak dla mnie to właśnie on powinien się tam znaleźć zamiast Hendrixa. Jedyny plus jest taki że z tego co tam przeglądałem to nie znalazłem nigdzie Hammeta, chwała im za to.
W tym rankingu nie biorą pod uwagę ostatnich dokonań gitarzysty, tylko całą karierę. Skoro Richie od kilku lat nie nagrał niczego ciekawego to co można powiedzieć o Hendrixie xD?
Teraz najzwyczajniej w świecie można powiedzieć że Rolling Stones zeszło na psy, nie rozumiem jakim cudem miejsca w tym rankingu są aż tak zmienne. Oni tak nagle zmieniają zdania? Van Halen awansował z 70 na 7, oczywiście, jak najbardziej zasługuje na to, ale jestem ciekaw co ich skłoniło to zmieny decyzji, Eddie jak i większość z tych panów na liście najlepsze lata ma już za sobą. A coś wątpię w to żeby skok o 63 pozycje do góry zapewniło mu to że jeden z ekipy RS znalazł na yt jakiś świetny filmik z nim w roli głównej.
